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		<title>By: doggone</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>doggone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.....

I have tested at 100F not the SEER 82F those low cost 9.8 EER Window AC units you see on sale at Target and Kmart for 8,000 BTU $100.

Now read this very slowly it will blow you mind not your wallet!

I use a simple evaporative method ( not a water spray) to precool the air intake to both the condenser coils and evaporato coils.

I lower the cooled air discharge to the room to about 45F even on a 98F  10%RH Arizona day

So on a hot 98F day I lower the air intake to about 68F for both the condenser and the evaporator.

This 8,000 BTu ( rated ) unit draw just 660 watts since the air is lowered to 45F not the typical 55F I guess we ADDED 1,000 TO 1,500 MORE but COOLIONG.

  AY 8,000 BTU WE GET A 12.3 EERr AT 9500 btu WE GET A eer OF 14.6

TO PUT AMOTHER WAY 2 WINDOW AC UNITS BOTH 9.8 RATED EER TESTED SIDe BY SIDE 

  8,000 BTU UNIT WITH NO PRECOOLLING DRAWS 840 watts 

  10,000 BTU UNIT WITH PRECOOLING DRAWS 860 wATTS AND RECALL WE ARE REALLY GETTING ANOTHER 1,000 btu OR SO AS THE 10,000 btu UNIT DISHARGFES 42F AIR.

I can provide for spot or zone cooling just to the rooms you are in on just 1,000 to 1,200 watts .

We use 4 to 5 units located throughout a home and we remote mount the AC unit outside of the windows so from the inside you can not see or hear the AC units.

The best part is those fools at THE Department of Energy never cared to learn more. 

I plan to sell plans on Ebay.

For way under $1,000 you can provide 3 to 5 tons of Cooling at close to a 17 SEER. It should be easy to run thsi on solar since at any one time you just cool the zone you are in no more whole home cooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;..</p>
<p>I have tested at 100F not the SEER 82F those low cost 9.8 EER Window AC units you see on sale at Target and Kmart for 8,000 BTU $100.</p>
<p>Now read this very slowly it will blow you mind not your wallet!</p>
<p>I use a simple evaporative method ( not a water spray) to precool the air intake to both the condenser coils and evaporato coils.</p>
<p>I lower the cooled air discharge to the room to about 45F even on a 98F  10%RH Arizona day</p>
<p>So on a hot 98F day I lower the air intake to about 68F for both the condenser and the evaporator.</p>
<p>This 8,000 BTu ( rated ) unit draw just 660 watts since the air is lowered to 45F not the typical 55F I guess we ADDED 1,000 TO 1,500 MORE but COOLIONG.</p>
<p>  AY 8,000 BTU WE GET A 12.3 EERr AT 9500 btu WE GET A eer OF 14.6</p>
<p>TO PUT AMOTHER WAY 2 WINDOW AC UNITS BOTH 9.8 RATED EER TESTED SIDe BY SIDE </p>
<p>  8,000 BTU UNIT WITH NO PRECOOLLING DRAWS 840 watts </p>
<p>  10,000 BTU UNIT WITH PRECOOLING DRAWS 860 wATTS AND RECALL WE ARE REALLY GETTING ANOTHER 1,000 btu OR SO AS THE 10,000 btu UNIT DISHARGFES 42F AIR.</p>
<p>I can provide for spot or zone cooling just to the rooms you are in on just 1,000 to 1,200 watts .</p>
<p>We use 4 to 5 units located throughout a home and we remote mount the AC unit outside of the windows so from the inside you can not see or hear the AC units.</p>
<p>The best part is those fools at THE Department of Energy never cared to learn more. </p>
<p>I plan to sell plans on Ebay.</p>
<p>For way under $1,000 you can provide 3 to 5 tons of Cooling at close to a 17 SEER. It should be easy to run thsi on solar since at any one time you just cool the zone you are in no more whole home cooling.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankyD.</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankyD.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought Lennox 17 SEER A/C/Gas Furnace last year to replace a 30-year old lennox system.  Total cost installed was 6k.  I saw 40% savings in electric bill and new furnace used much less natural gas to heat (didn&#039;t calculate % but it was significant).  I also got 1,500 tax credit.  It was well worth it plus did much better job heating and cooling the home.

I recently bought new home and want new Lennox again and thinking about solar ready 21 SEER.  The question is how much more savings will you get by making such a unit solar assited and how much MORE will adding the solar system cost?  Does it just reduce power consumed by the A/C unit by the new lennox unit by 8%?  What about when the panels are dumping the power back into the grid while the system is off?  What are those estimated savings?  Also, does the entire system get the 30% tax credit or just the SunSource solar portion.  This would make a huge difference in cost.  Solarvoltaic systems qualify for 30% but qualifying A/C furnaces I think only get $500 tax credit this year.  Also, does the system have a grid tie in inverter?  Saw SunSource demo on youtube and it says that while system off you are putting the power back into the grid.  In order to tie in where I am (Texas U.S.A.), I have to meet ONCOR&#039;s specifications which are fairly stringent.  For example, there must be a shut-off switch installed exactly like they say.  This sort of costly installation requirements are not mentioned anywhere.  My utility delivery service ONCOR also have incentive program where they will pay you $2.00 per watt for solar systems installed.  But will have to be at least 1kw system, two 90 watt panels wont qualify.

So there are a lot of variables that are at play.  I am hopeful that I will be able to use tax credits and incintives to make it economically feasible to get new 21 SEER Lennox plus SunSource System that will pay for itself within 5-10 years.  

Also on the climate change issue; no doubt we are experiencing climate change.  However, the Earth always is experiencing climate changes (ice ages, etc...)  The question is are the current climate changes (droughts, floods, stronger storms, etc...) caused by increased levels of man-made CO2?  I think it is important to look at the overall plan of those who pushes the idea of &quot;global warming&quot; on the world with the same ferverent agression as a prosecutor during the Spanish Inquisition.  &quot;What,.. you don&#039;t belive in global warming!!?? You must be a terrorist!!&quot;  Fact:  the leading &quot;global warming&quot; scientists were exposed for fabricating the data upon which their green religious cult is based.  Fact:  These scientists have always been funded by the globalist kingpins who are hell bent on absolute control over humanity.  Hmmm...let&#039;s make the entire world pay &quot;carbon taxes&quot; to a private central bank....lets say that CO2 is a &quot;toxic pollutant&quot;, so even the air you breath can be taxed.  So I don&#039;t buy anything that is being pushed on me by globalist eugenicists who want to control humanity.  They tell me I should use less, I should learn to live with a lower standard of living, while these blood sucking vampires fly around on their multimillion dollar private jets, float around on thier huge yaughts worth hudreds of millions, and have dozens of palaces each all over the world.  Their carbon footprints are the largest of any other humans, yet they want to tax you on your &quot;carbon footprint&quot; and have you pay those taxes to them through their privately owned shares of international banks.  Wake up people!  

You want to do something good for the environment?  How about lets do something to keep all that plastic out of our oceans?  How about we prevent those monsters at ConAgri and Monsanto from destroying mother nature through genetically engineered crops?  Notice all the bees dying in the U.S.?  Did you know that these crops produce their own herbicides/pesticides?  Did you know that in just a few generations in rats that eat this stuff it causes sterility?  Did you know that you are eating it too?

How&#039;s that for a post about an air conditioner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought Lennox 17 SEER A/C/Gas Furnace last year to replace a 30-year old lennox system.  Total cost installed was 6k.  I saw 40% savings in electric bill and new furnace used much less natural gas to heat (didn&#8217;t calculate % but it was significant).  I also got 1,500 tax credit.  It was well worth it plus did much better job heating and cooling the home.</p>
<p>I recently bought new home and want new Lennox again and thinking about solar ready 21 SEER.  The question is how much more savings will you get by making such a unit solar assited and how much MORE will adding the solar system cost?  Does it just reduce power consumed by the A/C unit by the new lennox unit by 8%?  What about when the panels are dumping the power back into the grid while the system is off?  What are those estimated savings?  Also, does the entire system get the 30% tax credit or just the SunSource solar portion.  This would make a huge difference in cost.  Solarvoltaic systems qualify for 30% but qualifying A/C furnaces I think only get $500 tax credit this year.  Also, does the system have a grid tie in inverter?  Saw SunSource demo on youtube and it says that while system off you are putting the power back into the grid.  In order to tie in where I am (Texas U.S.A.), I have to meet ONCOR&#8217;s specifications which are fairly stringent.  For example, there must be a shut-off switch installed exactly like they say.  This sort of costly installation requirements are not mentioned anywhere.  My utility delivery service ONCOR also have incentive program where they will pay you $2.00 per watt for solar systems installed.  But will have to be at least 1kw system, two 90 watt panels wont qualify.</p>
<p>So there are a lot of variables that are at play.  I am hopeful that I will be able to use tax credits and incintives to make it economically feasible to get new 21 SEER Lennox plus SunSource System that will pay for itself within 5-10 years.  </p>
<p>Also on the climate change issue; no doubt we are experiencing climate change.  However, the Earth always is experiencing climate changes (ice ages, etc&#8230;)  The question is are the current climate changes (droughts, floods, stronger storms, etc&#8230;) caused by increased levels of man-made CO2?  I think it is important to look at the overall plan of those who pushes the idea of &#8220;global warming&#8221; on the world with the same ferverent agression as a prosecutor during the Spanish Inquisition.  &#8220;What,.. you don&#8217;t belive in global warming!!?? You must be a terrorist!!&#8221;  Fact:  the leading &#8220;global warming&#8221; scientists were exposed for fabricating the data upon which their green religious cult is based.  Fact:  These scientists have always been funded by the globalist kingpins who are hell bent on absolute control over humanity.  Hmmm&#8230;let&#8217;s make the entire world pay &#8220;carbon taxes&#8221; to a private central bank&#8230;.lets say that CO2 is a &#8220;toxic pollutant&#8221;, so even the air you breath can be taxed.  So I don&#8217;t buy anything that is being pushed on me by globalist eugenicists who want to control humanity.  They tell me I should use less, I should learn to live with a lower standard of living, while these blood sucking vampires fly around on their multimillion dollar private jets, float around on thier huge yaughts worth hudreds of millions, and have dozens of palaces each all over the world.  Their carbon footprints are the largest of any other humans, yet they want to tax you on your &#8220;carbon footprint&#8221; and have you pay those taxes to them through their privately owned shares of international banks.  Wake up people!  </p>
<p>You want to do something good for the environment?  How about lets do something to keep all that plastic out of our oceans?  How about we prevent those monsters at ConAgri and Monsanto from destroying mother nature through genetically engineered crops?  Notice all the bees dying in the U.S.?  Did you know that these crops produce their own herbicides/pesticides?  Did you know that in just a few generations in rats that eat this stuff it causes sterility?  Did you know that you are eating it too?</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for a post about an air conditioner?</p>
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		<title>By: JUAN SOLANO</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>JUAN SOLANO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WANT TO KNOW PRICE OF YOUR PRODUCT TO BE DISTRIBUTOR IN MY COUNTRY HONDURAS</description>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>much cheaper DIY solar....  www.sunelec.com

get a 7kw system after tax credit for around $8,000 and call it a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>much cheaper DIY solar&#8230;.  <a href="http://www.sunelec.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sunelec.com</a></p>
<p>get a 7kw system after tax credit for around $8,000 and call it a day.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnn</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulaner,Our ancient ancestors had a widely held belief that the earth was flat.  Just because something is widely believed, doesn&#039;t make it true. You may have as much extreme information bias as the guy whose post you were commenting on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulaner,Our ancient ancestors had a widely held belief that the earth was flat.  Just because something is widely believed, doesn&#8217;t make it true. You may have as much extreme information bias as the guy whose post you were commenting on.</p>
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		<title>By: don anglin</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>don anglin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i checked for 3 estimates for lennox and sears was on the phone with a
kenmore before i turned loose of the return key. (almost)  i keep reading and found that the ROI was crap and as i&#039;m not good for 25 more years, it won&#039;t pay me to upgrade...as i&#039;m already retired the 
so called &quot;tax credits&quot; are no good to me either.. O well, move on
to another teaser commercial to suck me into a deal that isn&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i checked for 3 estimates for lennox and sears was on the phone with a<br />
kenmore before i turned loose of the return key. (almost)  i keep reading and found that the ROI was crap and as i&#8217;m not good for 25 more years, it won&#8217;t pay me to upgrade&#8230;as i&#8217;m already retired the<br />
so called &#8220;tax credits&#8221; are no good to me either.. O well, move on<br />
to another teaser commercial to suck me into a deal that isn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio Ortega</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just Paint/ Seal your Roof White or get light color shingles and you get Aprox 20% cooling by reflecting the suns energy for a few hundred dollars. if you want a more profesional fix much cheaper than a 15k a/c go wit metal roof. This is why in arizona the roof of most homes are white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just Paint/ Seal your Roof White or get light color shingles and you get Aprox 20% cooling by reflecting the suns energy for a few hundred dollars. if you want a more profesional fix much cheaper than a 15k a/c go wit metal roof. This is why in arizona the roof of most homes are white.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulaner</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

First, we need to once again look at the fact that the system is 30% less with current tax credits.  This would also include the 30% discount on the air conditioner (where normally air conditioners don&#039;t qualify for the 30% tax credit).  Next, Lennox system generally saves 40-50% of that $100 mentioned above (not 8%). 

Regarding the guy that pasted those links - supposedly debunking climate change, the world-wide scientific consensus is that the climate is warming, and fossil fuels and other human activities are to blame.  Another point is that if you believe what &quot;climate gate&quot; has to say, then you were already one of those people in the extreme minority viewpoint that anthropomorphic climate change isn&#039;t a scientific fact.  In other words, a climate change denier would say, &quot;see climate gate proves the science is bunk&quot;; yet somehow the gigantic volume of nearly universally agreed up evidence is ignored.  Sociologist call this phenomenon &quot;extreme information bias.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>First, we need to once again look at the fact that the system is 30% less with current tax credits.  This would also include the 30% discount on the air conditioner (where normally air conditioners don&#8217;t qualify for the 30% tax credit).  Next, Lennox system generally saves 40-50% of that $100 mentioned above (not 8%). </p>
<p>Regarding the guy that pasted those links &#8211; supposedly debunking climate change, the world-wide scientific consensus is that the climate is warming, and fossil fuels and other human activities are to blame.  Another point is that if you believe what &#8220;climate gate&#8221; has to say, then you were already one of those people in the extreme minority viewpoint that anthropomorphic climate change isn&#8217;t a scientific fact.  In other words, a climate change denier would say, &#8220;see climate gate proves the science is bunk&#8221;; yet somehow the gigantic volume of nearly universally agreed up evidence is ignored.  Sociologist call this phenomenon &#8220;extreme information bias.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JOHHNY WALKER</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHHNY WALKER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LENNOX  SHOULD BE IN THE VACUUM  BUSINESS   THEY  SUCK BIG TIME  On a cold cloudy day or  night   what is more  practicial   Solar or Geo- thermal  ?  a no brainer  answer   If a consumer  needs  to update the HVAC  system   to  a top notch level   Solar  does not fit the  plan   Lennox engineers  were asleep at  the wheel on this  one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LENNOX  SHOULD BE IN THE VACUUM  BUSINESS   THEY  SUCK BIG TIME  On a cold cloudy day or  night   what is more  practicial   Solar or Geo- thermal  ?  a no brainer  answer   If a consumer  needs  to update the HVAC  system   to  a top notch level   Solar  does not fit the  plan   Lennox engineers  were asleep at  the wheel on this  one</p>
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		<title>By: Bmore Green LLC</title>
		<link>http://www.hvacreviews.net/07/lennox-xpg20-sunsource-solar-assisted-air-conditioner-review/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Bmore Green LLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 01:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I install solar Bmore Green Why mot use a 245w panel? This is a joke right? 8% it is not worth that it would be cheaper to just get a 2kW solar system and save all around on your electric.  You would save way more for  12k and the tax credits would end up cheaper then this an or get a Solar Hotwater system then you will save at least the price to heat your water and floors and save much more . Then the AC would really matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I install solar Bmore Green Why mot use a 245w panel? This is a joke right? 8% it is not worth that it would be cheaper to just get a 2kW solar system and save all around on your electric.  You would save way more for  12k and the tax credits would end up cheaper then this an or get a Solar Hotwater system then you will save at least the price to heat your water and floors and save much more . Then the AC would really matter.</p>
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